'There is Physical Evidence [of UFOs] That the U.S. Government is Holding,' Says Tucker Carlson in Interview with Nick Pope for Ancient Aliens

Tucker Carlson in his interview with Nick Pope. (Ancient Aliens / Twitter) — Tucker Carlson in his interview with Nick Pope. *(Ancient Aliens / Twitter)*

Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson appeared on an episode of Ancient Aliens this past November, in which he was interviewed by ufologist Nick Pope, telling him "I've heard this from someone who I think is knowledgeable on the subject, that there is physical evidence that the U.S. government is holding, um, that, you know, would tell us a lot more—about what these objects are."

“Physical evidence, wreckage?” asked Pope.

“That is correct,” replied Carlson.

When asked for the source of this information, Carlson answered “It’s, you know, a well-known someone who worked on this within the government for many years, who would know. And I asked point-blank ‘Is there physical evidence of the existence of these objects—these aircraft—whatever they are? Yes there is.’”

“Wreckage, in a hangar?” asked Pope.

“Wreckage,” said Carlson.

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— Ancient Aliens (@AncientAliens) November 26, 2019

Although Carlson didn’t name his source, it is widely believed to be Luis Elizondo—a former Department of Defense (DoD) intelligence officer and program head for the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP), who currently serves as the To the Stars…Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA) Director of Global Security and Special Programs.

Elizondo has gone on record in the past discussing the existence of such wreckage and ‘metamaterials’ recovered therefrom, including in an interview with Carlson on Tucker Carlson Tonight.

It’s unclear, under the circumstances, why Carlson would be evasive about mentioning Elizondo directly.

This news follows the chain of information slowly released through To the Stars…Academy of Arts & Science and government sources since 2017, when news broke of the Pentagon’s secretive UFO project.

Most recently, five former Navy servicemen came forward to participate in an interview with Tim McMillan for Popular Mechanics, regarding the now-famous 2004 Nimitz UFO encounters. It’s claimed in the interview that, following one of the Nimitz UFO incidents, two “unknown individuals” confiscated all data collected from the encounter.

TTSA also recently announced that it will be partnering with the U.S. Army to “advance materiel and technology innovations.” Prior to that, Luis Elizondo told the New York Times that the results of any studies done on the “metamaterials” which TTSA announced were in their possession last July are still pending, due to the employment of the “scientific method.”

A few months prior to news of the reportedly acquired “metamaterials,” five Navy pilots told the New York Times that unidentified flying objects were an “almost daily” occurrence from the summer of 2014 through March 2015; two of the pilots, Lieutenant Ryan Graves and Lieutenant Danny Accoin agreed to go on record about their experiences with both the New York Times and for the History Channel UFO docuseries Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation—a project created in tandem with TTSA. The pilots’ testimony prompted several senators to request and receive private briefings on the encounters. In response to questions regarding the pilots’ reports, President Trump has gone on record as saying that he does “not particularly” believe that Navy pilots are seeing UFOs.

It is unclear at this time if the president’s statements reflect anything other than a general disinterest in the subject.

The narrative built from those accounts is not without controversy in the UFO community, having received some pushback from researchers. That argument stems mostly from the seemingly cyclical nature of the government’s public interest in UFOs, and the disinformation associated therewith—exacerbated by the presence within TTSA of former intelligence agency personnel in prominent positions. Those long-festering doubts of TTSA’s trustworthiness due to the corporation’s association with the U.S. government are now compounded following the public benefit corporation’s new agreement with the Army.

John Greenewald, Jr. of The Black Vault has done significant fact checking on claims made by TTSA and its representatives, recently publishing a series of statements that show the U.S. Navy never cleared for public release three UFO videos distributed by Elizondo and TTSA, although the Navy did acknowledge the objects within the videos—referred to respectively as “FLIR1,” “Gimbal,” and “GoFast”—were “unidentified aerial phenomena.”

Given these discrepancies in TTSA’s statements and their now apparent partnership with the U.S. Army, more people within the UFO community are expressing concerns that the public benefit corporation was created as a massive spin operation to control the narrative surrounding unidentified flying objects.

However, as more former and current military personnel come forward to relate their experiences with UFOs, there is little doubt within the community that, if nothing else, the cases being presented have merit.

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